Trading Assistant eBay Discussion – Read the fine Print – Join The TA Agreement or Not?

I have been spending too much time on the eBay Trading Assistant discussion board, and admittedly I may have gotten carried away with my opinions.  You may fault me, or you may respect my veracity, in any case I think it is important that the discussion from today is noted somewhere besides the eBay forum.  One never knows when eBay could decide to delete or retract certain threads.

The lead in is simple...

The Characters -

SoJo - A long standing TA has elected to not join the new REDOL or Trading Assistant program.  SoJo is a long standing member of the boards and by all accounts has contributed value to each discussion with great advise and valuable insight. Oh and SoJo invented the Flurpel campaign....

 Karen Swett - Also a great and valuable asset to the board with an enormous amount of experience. Karen is a large eBay fan and promoter.

Scott Pooler - Me... Well, you know who I am...  

 The Story - SoJo is saying goodbye to the board because she knows she will not be listed in the official eBay directory after the 14th of February because she has done what most have not and actually read the new eBay Trading Assistant agreement... SoJo has elected to continue her business as an Internet Consignment Specialists without a listing in he new eBay directory... SoJo is a wise woman and can see the real writing on the wall...

  • Part 1 - Sojo Says GoodBye.... 

Well I came here figuring it was the 11th and the old TA list was coming down, and since I'm not re-registering, I was going to give my good-byes to all my fellow boardies and wish you luck.

But the old is still up and there I am, still listed?? I live in California, and its 6:10 p.m. so???

Well, anyway, I'm sure they will get around to it soon.

In any case -- I guess I'm no longer an "official" TA, though I'm doing just fine in the consignment biz, got a wait list of customers, and still believe in this industry.

So best of luck to all of you remaining. You'll still find me on Seller Central and the Stores board, as well as my 3 offsites.

May you all wear your Flurple proudly!

Was... Registered Trading Assistant
Now... Professional Online Consignment Seller

sojo

  • Sojo - Dont Go... 

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seacliffvillageboutique  (822 )   View Listings | Report  Feb-11-08 18:29 PST  1 of 29 
Hey sojo...you con't have to be an official TA to come to the TA boards.
I was wondering...how come you're not going to sign up in the new directory? You can be a TA with a drop off location and NOT be subject to the insurance requirements...there are two kinds of drop off locations in the new directory...only one (the redol) requires the insurance, etc.
Karen Swett

seacliffvillageboutique
Fine furnishings on consignment.

consignmentpal  (1227 )  View Listings | Report  Feb-11-08 18:42 PST  2 of 29 
sojo,

Please don't leave us!!!

I think the launch date of the new directory was changed to Feb. 14.

Linda

Buy - Sell - Consign - Donate
 
seacliffvillageboutique  (822 )   View Listings | Report  Feb-11-08 18:58 PST  3 of 29 
con't=don't...it's getting late!
Karen Swett

seacliffvillageboutique
Fine furnishings on consignment.

  • Understand, Sojo's decision had been made, she was not remaining with the new program... Karen wants everyone to join the new program... 

allbusinessauctions  (382 )   View Listings | Report  Feb-11-08 19:31 PST  4 of 29 
Karen,

I applaud your positive attitude and your very generous outlook. I agree with you that eBay is a extraordinary venue to sell our wares and to build a business. But I must say that sometimes it seems to me that you are positive to a fault if that is possible. Not everyone agrees with the recent changes in the TA agreement and REDOL. And while you certainly have a right to agree for yourself, others also have the right to disagree.

There are many other provisions in the new agreement which TAs could take issue with...

Personally I am with sojo on this issue and will not be registering any of my eBay accounts for either version of the new agreement.

I would rather be listed in ConsignmentPal and have control over my own business, business name, and operational procedures than to just by default, sign up for an agreement which states that eBay can alter the agreement at any time without my approval and I will be bound by that agreement. eBay can tell me what my business name will be, and eBay can define my hours... etc.. etc...

I have said it before and will say it again, Ive been a registered TA since the inception of the program and have never received more than one call per month and I doubt 1 in 12 of those calls in a year led to any business. 1 solid lead per year is not worth my business independence.

ConsignmentPal is nearly ready to make a new home for all of us. Renaming our entire industry as ConsignmentPals or Consignment Specialists is a good idea. Linda is building something there which will benefit everyone, even if costs a few bucks to join.

I think with the SEO advantages ConsignmentPal may have over any eBay style TA directory will generate more business. And if we are listed in a directory where we can purchase advertising and focus our message towards people actually looking for consignment services, rather than trading services, maybe being in an off eBay Directory will work better for all of us.

At least I know supporting Consignment pal will not incur the risk of being told some day the directory is closing, unless we decide to give up our rights to run our business the way we see fit... And then if we do that, a new directory will re-open, but only if we are good little business people and follow the new rules.

Sure, everyone should have insurance... Of course a bond will increase confidence... These are business realities. But as a business persons we should make these decisions on our own. Our local governments may make these demands upon us but...

Why should eBay, a vendor and not our customer, have the authority to make these demands upon us in exchange for a listing in a simple directory? I fail to see the logic.
If it were the only game in town, I could see the point. But the TA directory is not the only game in town. We have an option and that option is ConsignmentPal.

Do as SoJo says and call yourself a Professional Online Consignment Seller or Simply an Internet Consignment Specialist...

Was there ever any magic in the term Trading Assistant?

Do people on the street actually look for or ask for a Trading Post?

Can anyone explain the branding idea behind REDOL to me?

Sounds more like an illness... than a place to take an estate diamond.

Internet Consignment Specialist even sounds more professional.

Yep, I am a ConsignmentPal now... But I have my history as a TA... I did not leave the program, it left me.
Scott Pooler
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allbusinessauctions  (382 )   View Listings | Report  Feb-11-08 19:43 PST  5 of 29 
I may as well be a FLURPEL

Fabulous Licensed Uber Respected Professional eBay Lister...
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big_sky_auctions-1  (3011 )   View Listings | Report  Feb-11-08 21:29 PST  6 of 29 
Oooh I wanna be a FLURPEL too! 

I actually got a referral last week from the TA directory - one that will pay off. (after 4 years)

I'll hang out for a while longer, at least, and see how things shake out. Maybe I'll get another doll lady with boxes up to the rafters in another 4 years. You never know!

Put it in the Van!
"Big Sky" Lori

seacliffvillageboutique  (822 )   View Listings | Report  Feb-12-08 04:06 PST  7 of 29 
Scott, I guess it's just that...other than the bond...my business already met all the redol requirements, just as a matter of coincidence. I just happened to not have branded myself as an ebay auctioneer...ebay is just one facet of my consignment business since I have a brick and mortar consignment shop. The revised (not original) insurance requirements are so sound, that they are exactly what I had put in place when I opened, on the recommendation of my insurance agent.

If auction were in my name and brand, I'd probably be feeling a whole lot more like a lot of other folks are feeling now, frustrated and angry.

So maybe in my optimism I'm being insensitive? But we are all in agreement on one thing...the old directory didn't work for anyone. So I am happy that the whole program is being revised.

And as to ebay's new, stricter requirements...ebay is clearly reacting to the very serious failures of drop shops who closed and left their consignors high and dry, and that happened in numerous states, leaving attorneys general to clean up messes that only hurt our industry. This revision of the TA program is a direct response to the wholesale failure of the franchises. We should ALL be very concerned about any infraction on our industry because it hurts all of us. When someone in my town reads about a drop shop anywhere in the country that closed, taking payments and property with them, that's one less client I can hope for.

Usually, an industry generates it's own self-regulation via the formation of a professional organization. We TAs just haven't put one together yet...although consignment shops do have one called NARTS...National Association of Resale and Thrift Shops.

Ebay, the way I see it, has stepped in and done for us what we just had not yet done for ourselves. And yes, there is a very good argument to be made that we should be self-regulating, that ebay overstepped it's bounds. But to me, in the end, that's just quibbling over who took the right action, first.

By the way...I have been in consignmentpal for almost a year now, and I am also listed at NARTS, on consignmentshops.com as well as all the local yellow pages, citidex, etc in my area. I don't see these things as exclusive...
Karen Swett

seacliffvillageboutique
Fine furnishings on consignment.

drop2sellit  (3382 )   View Listings | Report  Feb-12-08 06:00 PST  8 of 29 
so why dont we put something together?

seacliffvillageboutique  (822 )   View Listings | Report  Feb-12-08 06:05 PST  9 of 29 
It's a great idea drop...and long overdue. But it'll be a full time job for a couple of people, with no income, but some important expenses. It's hard work.
The founder of IMA posts over at the powerseller board. His name is Steve. He'd be a good person to instruct on how to go about starting an association.
Karen Swett

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Fine furnishings on consignment.

seacliffvillageboutique  (822 )   View Listings | Report  Feb-12-08 06:08 PST  10 of 29 
Was there ever any magic in the term Trading Assistant?

Do people on the street actually look for or ask for a Trading Post?

Can anyone explain the branding idea behind REDOL to me?

Sounds more like an illness... than a place to take an estate diamond.

Internet Consignment Specialist even sounds more professional.

Scott I agree with you 110% on this. Back in September, when Sharon first came to the boards and introduced herself and let us know she'd be introducing changes to the TA program, I advocated strongly that TA, drop off and all the other terms we use are meaningless, and that the word consignment was the only word that made sense to folks outside of the ebay world, and so the word consignment should definitely be a part of the new lingo. I was vetoed by other, more estabished TAs. Too bad you weren't here on the boards back then...I could have used the back up!
Karen Swett

seacliffvillageboutique
Fine furnishings on consignment.

allbusinessauctions  (382 )   View Listings | Report  Feb-12-08 06:47 PST  11 of 29 
Karen,
As I said, I appreciate your positive outlook. Karen, You are a good person and you have made your business decision. I respect your right to do so, but please stop advising others to follow your lead unless you plan on being their legal council. This agreement has many poison pills included in it and the entire insurance fiasco only served as a smoke screen. "Now that the insurance requirements are solved - go ahead and sign up!" I think this is a foolish thing to do. No one should agree to anything until and unless they have discussed it with their legal council. Everyone can then make an informed decision.

Please understand I am not disagreeing with your enthusiasm or your decision. It may just be fine for you, but each business person on this board needs to make their own decision only after reviewing the facts and with their own council in their own State. This agreement has legal ramifications which could cost some people their entire business.

Your endorsement carries weight and I would rather not hear about some poor TA getting upset with you because you said it was great, later on down the line when this agreement comes back to bite them.
Scott Pooler
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allbusinessauctions  (382 )   View Listings | Report  Feb-12-08 07:00 PST  12 of 29 
I wonder...

Did everyone ask an attorney to review the agreement?

I ask, because mine came back with a huge amount of red ink...

See below:

Trading Assistants are not representatives, employees, independent contractors, or agents of eBay. eBay does not formally screen Trading Assistants to confirm a set of professional standards or credentials. eBay is not responsible for the acts or omissions of Trading Assistants, and eBay has no control over the quality, safety, or legality of the items advertised, the truth or accuracy of the listings or the ability of sellers to sell items.

Ok, so eBay does not screen or control us, but yet they issue a code of conduct?

The following Trading Assistant Code of Conduct (“Code of Conduct”): You agree to abide by the following minimum conduct standards in your Trading Assistant-related dealings with others during the Term of this
Agreement:

You will not represent yourself as an employee, representative, partner, or agent of eBay. Further, you will not imply an affiliation with eBay or in any way suggest that eBay is involved with or endorses your products or services. There goes any benefit from using the branding or name....
You will not use your Trading Assistant status, or any aspect thereof, to market any off-eBay solutions.

This is a problem for anyone who wants to grow their business beyond that of a trading assistant, why should you not be able to do what Skip McGrath does and make money as an affiliate? Why cant you sell eBay related services which are approved and recognized by eBay? Why could you not use or promote off eBay solutions like for instance QuickBooks or ConsignmentPal? If eBay has no control over our business, if they are not our partner and we have no business relationship, how can we be expected to only sell their product?

Program Optimization. You must participate in secret shopper, customer satisfaction surveys, a client feedback system and any such other efforts proposed by eBay for Trading Assistant Program participants to measure customer experience. For example, eBay may institute a secret shopper program in which independent third parties will evaluate your Trading Assistant services and the customer experience offered therein.

Fun - we are already controlled by feedback and DSRs and now we get people in the door looking to bring our ratings down another notch - yet eBay has no control over us or our business and we do not represent eBay in any way.

Warranties; Disclaimer.

You represent and warrant that, during the Term, you shall comply with all laws, regulations, rules and ordinances, and orders applicable to you, your business, products and/or services. You further represent and warrant that you shall comply with all laws, regulations, rules and ordinances, and orders applicable to your interactions with the eBay Site, your interactions with the Trading Assistant Site and/or use of the Trading Assistant Branding. Additionally, you represent and warrant that: (a) you have all governmental approval, permits and licenses, and have made all governmental filings and registrations, necessary or prudent for the marketing and performance of your services, and (b) eBay is not required to obtain any governmental approval, permits or licenses as a result of this Agreement, eBay’s performance hereunder or any payments made by you hereunder.

Can you say... CYA? eBay wants every TA in the country to agree that they themselves and not eBay will bear the burden of State sponsored criminal prosecution like in Pennsylvania. This one sentence tells you and everyone else that eBay will not expend any of its substantial clout to help defend or protect this industry from these pressures. eBay no longer has any intention of lobbying for us and eBay wants you to agree now that if anything happens in the future which would cause you to ask for their considerable help that you will not do so. Further, eBay wants every States Attorney General to see this paragraph and know they are only able to go after all of the little fish and not the big bankroll like they did with Tobacco. Therefore, TA's in effect have just become a barrier to legal threats for eBay. We bear all of the responsibility and eBay reaps the rewards. Cool System, no? .

EXCEPT AS EXPRESSLY STATED HEREIN, EBAY DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS, EXPRESS, IMPLIED OR STATUTORY, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF TITLE, NON-INFRINGEMENT, MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. EBAY DOES NOT REPRESENT OR WARRANT THAT THE EBAY SITE OR TRADING ASSISTANT SITE WILL OPERATE SECURELY OR WITHOUT INTERRUPTION. Each party acknowledges that it has not entered into this Agreement in reliance upon any warranty or representation except those specifically set forth herein.

Except we warranty even though eBay has no control over us - we will comply with rules of conduct, be subject to secret inspection and reporting - and will hold harmless and protect eBay from any and all legal claims. (see below)

General.

Governing Law; Venue. This Agreement shall be construed in accordance with and governed exclusively by the laws of the State of California applicable to agreements made among California residents and to be performed wholly within such jurisdiction, regardless of such parties' actual domiciles. You agree that any cause of action arising under this Agreement shall be brought exclusively in a court in Santa Clara County, CA.

I Like California but its a heck of a drive from Florida...

Publicity. You shall not make any public statement regarding the terms of this Agreement or any aspect thereof, (except to indicate that you are a Trading Assistant where applicable) without eBay's prior written approval which may be withheld in eBay’s sole discretion.
You mean I can not talk about this contract with anyone? I cant share with other TA's the terms of this contract which in effect make them the bait and barrier for any legal threat whatsoever. My rancor can not be expressed for the restriction on outside sales of "off- eBay solutions" I can't say that I think these types of controls and restrictions are ludicrous for a simple inclusion in a "directory". Ooops

And there is a whole bunch more wrong with this agreement including eBay saying they can change it at any time by any means they deem and we must submit any changes only in writing to their (agent) - Code word for Mighty Fancy Legal Council. This Agreement may not be otherwise amended except in a writing signed by you and eBay. In writing - yet they can change it electronically at any time by means they deem as appropriate?
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seacliffvillageboutique  (822 )   View Listings | Report  Feb-12-08 07:00 PST  13 of 29 
Your endorsement carries weight and I would rather not hear about some poor TA getting upset with you because you said it was great, later on down the line when this agreement comes back to bite them.

Well I appreciate this complement Scott, and I will take your advise under consideration.

I guess I'm thinking...it's just an agreement to be in the directory, revocable at any time. Sojo was a regular on the board when I was new here...I'm sad to see her go. BTW...inclusion in the directory isn't a requirement to participate in this board.
Karen Swett

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Karen,

It is mkuch more than just an agreement to be in the directory. Getting in the directory is the only benefit but the agreement has content which can effect your entire business...

Please look at it with your attorney...
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seacliffvillageboutique  (822 )   View Listings | Report  Feb-12-08 07:06 PST  16 of 29 
Will do Scott. I have, in the past, been active with certain mlm companies, such as tupperware, and another one you'd likely not heard of because it was an arts based mlm. However, the language in this agreement is not dissimilar to all the other agreements I had to make to be a direct seller in those companies...it's fairly standard language. So, I wasn't overly concerned about it. But I will take your advice and have my attorney review it.
Karen Swett

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Fine furnishings on consignment.

allbusinessauctions  (382 )   View Listings | Report  Feb-12-08 07:14 PST  17 of 29 
Those other companies - were paying you Karen. This is the opposite situation. No?

We are not sales people for eBay, they are clear about that...

We are not sub contractors...

We do not get any financial remuneration from eBay, and therefore these conditions are not applicable. The contract could have been much shorter and to the point but they slipped in controls and provisions meant to have an impact much later down the road.

It is a completely one sided agreement and does not provide enough compensation for the conditions to be agreeable.
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seacliffvillageboutique  (822 )   View Listings | Report  Feb-12-08 07:22 PST  18 of 29 
NO! Those other companies were not paying me...I was an independent sales rep, buying wholesale from them, and reselling at a mark up. The agreements defined how I could market myself, considering there was no relationship between me and the companies. That's how I see ebay handling themselves in this...we are not employees of ebay, we are not paid by them, but we are using their branding and logo and they are defining how we may do so and the relationship between them and us. It's exactly the same thing, except I'm not buying my goods wholesale from ebay.
Karen Swett

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Fine furnishings on consignment.

allbusinessauctions  (382 )   View Listings | Report  Feb-12-08 07:48 PST  19 of 29 
I can see your point on that Karen... And if the agreement simply covered it in that way, I would be fine. But I don't think that it does cover the relationship in the same manner. It covers much more than the use of the brand , which in both of our opinions is no brand at all...
If we could use the eBay brand... Maybe but we are relegated to a logo which has very little public recognition and has since been changed to REDOL...
Which I don't think anyone in the world will know what that is...
I posted the first REDOL article in my blog the day the new agreement was announced. That day I also subscribed a google alert on that keyword - REDOL - google has not returned a single result other than my own in that time...
If it is such a great new directory, don't you think eBay would be trying to build up the name recognition? Wouldn't they have some other way of getting the word out, besides this board?
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seacliffvillageboutique  (822 )   View Listings | Report  Feb-12-08 08:05 PST  20 of 29 
If it is such a great new directory, don't you think eBay would be trying to build up the name recognition? Wouldn't they have some other way of getting the word out, besides this board?

Well Scott...that is the promise...that with these new changes will come increased marketing on eBay's part, including increased visibility for the directory on the ebay website as well as off-ebay advertising. Of course, the jury is still out on whether that will be effective, and will probably be out for some months to come....
Karen Swett

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Fine furnishings on consignment.

allbusinessauctions  (382 )   View Listings | Report  Feb-12-08 08:24 PST  21 of 29 
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seacliffvillageboutique  (822 )   View Listings | Report  Feb-12-08 08:36 PST  22 of 29 
Yes Scott...redol does not yield anything linkable to the directory or ebay on google. The directory hasn't gone live yet. This program doesn't exist in the real world yet but it still under development. But worse yet...I'm with you..even when the program does go live, who outside of ebay will ever think to google the letters REDOL?
Karen Swett

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auctionwhat  (160 ) View Listings | Report  Feb-12-08 09:51 PST  23 of 29 
This is agreement is the same BS you get from any large Corporation. Try reading an UFOC for a franchise, read the UFOC for any of the Drop Store Franchises same BS.

ONLY BIG DIFFERENCE HERE IS YOU CAN BAIL OUT WHEN YOU LIKE AND GO YOUR OWN WAY.

eBay changes the terms you can bail.

These contracts are 99.9999999% one sided and eBay is no different.
allbusinessauctions  (382 )   View Listings | Report  Feb-12-08 12:06 PST  24 of 29 
Usually you get something in return for the BS...

UFOC's are required to be as verbose as they are because of government regulations. Most Franchisers would prefer to cull out the disclaimers.

But yes, agreements are generally written in this manner and as long as you understand how it is written and what it is saying... and you agree, great!

But I don't think this agreement specifys that you can get out at anytime. It says eBay can change the terms at anytime in any way they see fit. You must notify their "agent" if you want to get out of the deal... No word on who or where the agent can be found.

I am an eBay supporter and a fan. And I understand why it is they are doing this. I just feel that everyone should read and understand it as well before moving ahead. We all have different businesses and we all have different tolerances for risk and exposure. If you feel that this is a great deal or even a good deal for you... then by all means go right ahead.

But do it only after you have read and understand the agreement. Don't just jump in because it is your only choice. We all have many choices.
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newton@ebay.com View Listings | Report  Feb-12-08 12:55 PST  25 of 29 
Hi and thanks for the lively discussion.

The TA directory is completely voluntary and free advertising, so you should determine if it is of value to you.

I think it's great that many of you conduct your business independently and do not need to be listed in the directory or use the logo. That is certainly the power of eBay.

But please understand that if you do not agree to the new TA user agreement, you may not use the TA, TP or REDOL logo - new or old.

Some other info:
We are changing the links to the new directory on Feb 14 (updated date was posted previously).

We are doing a direct mail to 50,000 businesses on Feb 19. I hope to generate leads for you from that. I think there are plenty of TAs to choose from in the directory now (with no SPAM!!!) so this should have good results.

Thank you everyone who has signed up in the new free directory. We hope you find that it pays for itself!  I know we'll have to prove the value to you.

Also a reminder about eBay logos that you may have on your web site: Although some eBay programs allow you to use the program logo (TA, PS, affiliate), you are never allowed to use the eBay logo for other purposes unless you have written permission.

The eBay Logo
The eBay name and logo are registered trademarks in the United States and many other countries. We generally do not permit the use of the eBay logo by third parties unless they have a written license agreement with eBay. Use of the eBay logo without permission from eBay is not permitted on any of the following types of materials:

Promotional materials
Flyers
Websites
there's more - please see: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/everyone-ebayipuse.html
Sharon
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seacliffvillageboutique  (822 )   View Listings | Report  Feb-12-08 13:44 PST  26 of 29 

But I don't think this agreement specifys that you can get out at anytime.

Scott...the agreement relates soley to the use of the directory. You can simply opt out of the agreement by opting out of the directory. Or in the case of the redol agreement, by opting out of redol and listing as a regular ta.

Earlier today you stated that I was optimistic...perhaps overly so. Now I'm inclined to say...you may be as overly pessimistic as I may be overly optimistic.

Nobody has to agree to anything in order to run a consignment business, even on eBay. Anybody is free at any time to sell items on consignment on ebay, excepting residents of those states who consider online auction activities to fall under the realm of auctioneering.

All eBay is requiring is that those who want to make use of the directory have to agree to their terms.

Since, by having us in the directory, and by promoting the directory, ebay is de facto endorsing those businesses in the directory, it doesn't seem unreasonable for ebay to have a certain set of standards or criterion for the businesses ebay is preparing to endorse.
Karen Swett

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Ok, I give... This will lead to no good for any of us... I do not want to argue and I don't think my voice is alone... But you are right in many things Karen, if you want to be in the directory you must agree...

I have removed my 6 year old TA sticker from my window... I would not want to violate any eBay policy. Along with my even older Trading Post sticker

If I see a significant promotion lasting more than one mailing and one email push, I may find my hesitation to have been a mistake. I could be wrong about all of this and if I am I apologize to anyone who thinks I have been over zealous in my view.

I just think everyone should read the contract they agree to, before they agree to it. And I do not personally agree with the way this has been handled, presented, or promoted by eBay. I know Sharon is doing a great job at trying to make it work and she has done a great deal for all of the TA's who have chosen to join. There is little she can do for those of us who can not join and we all understand that.

But that is just one mans view.
Scott Pooler
Capt ebay
 
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